bpd1151's Meth Injection Install.....

[bpd1151]

So Mike' date=' now that you have had the meth kit installed for a bit, what are your impressions of it? Power gains, fuel consumption, and overall thoughts about the meth injection. Curious to hear your review...BTW, again you did a great job with this thread and the photo's of the install![/b']

 

I can add my thoughts and opinion...I think it's a great mod! Power gains? I picked up about .5 in a 1/4 dropping my times from 12.6s to 12.1s. Fuel consumption is really the same...doesn't really affect gas mileage...as far as methanol goes...I went thru about 6 gallons since the install last spring. I think it's the second best mod next to tuning...more thoughts in a bit.

 

 

Mark...........

 

Darrell's answer to this is spot on & would mimick my answer almost verbatim. I'll reaffirm that there's no change in day-to-day fuel consumption.

 

I can definitely feel a distinct difference in the "butt dyno" when she's spraying..... there's an added surge that launches one further into the driver's seat. Not overly signifigant mind you, but certainly enough for me to take notice of and comment about it here.

 

As far as METH consumption goes..... well, that's contigent entirely on one's usage. If you're not driving it like you stole it so to speak, and you stay out of that 7/8psi sweet spot where the electronics and tune call for the METH pump to start priming/spraying, then you're consumption would be negligable.

 

Me personally? I drive fairly aggressively, most of the time. I am half way through my 2nd, 5gal pail of VP M1 100% Methanol Fuel if that's any indicator for you.

 

I like having the Pyrometer Gauge in my pod because before the Meth Kit install, when I'd mash the accelerator, you can just watch the EGT temps skyrocket upwards!

 

That needle went up almost as fast as my big pig of a SHO acclerates down any given stretch of beckoning pavement.

 

Now with the Meth Kit installed, those EGT temps are much more controlled and the temps/gauge needle, go up gently and slowly, & it's overtly obvious the Meth is cooling the charge and reigning in the temps.

 

In closing, very very happy with this mod...... hell, I'll even say I am downright elated at the results.

 

Barnone, the tunes are a great bang for the buck, the addition of the Meth Kit just adds to the insanity..... oops, I mean enjoyment of driving my SHO :behindsofa:

 

 

 

Mike,

 

I think this is great as far as it goes... but would like you to do a tear-down of the intake & heads with pix so we can see just how clean the inside is. And a check of the pistons and rods would'nt be a bad idea either! LOL

 

BPD's Engine Cleaner MOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

I'm not sure if I'm tech savvy enough to strip it down as you are requesting there Bob..... but with assistance, perhaps :yo:

 

Maybe on one of your trips back to Iowa, you'll have to make a pitstop at my residence for a pizza/beer/liquor/wrench time session to accomplish that? :noidea:

 

I like the thought of adding another infamous bpd "How-To" to my list of credentials :faint:

[EcoBrick Bob]

I would trust my son Jamie to help you... but you should never trust me with a wrench.... A wench maybe...but not a wrench!!!!! LOL

[steve142857]

I went to get the meth kit across the border today! It took me 2 hours all in and I saved one or two weeks of delaya for delivery, 30$ of shipping and 110$ of taxes... So I have been able to take an apointment for install this very next Monday... So hopefully I will have the car ready next Tuesday... Can't wait! I probably won't take pictures during the install since I won't be assisting and the guy will follow the how to of OP Mike (thx again!). But you have my word that I will film the beast in action asap.

Cheers guys!

[bpd1151]

Super stoked for you Steve! :target:

 

Can't wait to hear about your experiences :thumb:

 

You'll be joining the ranks of a rather small, unique group of..... errrr..... ummm.....

 

Meth Heads :bolt:

[steve142857]

Update :

I brought my car for install this morning... I spent most of the day watching... I want to know how it works and how it looks... When I left, it was around 4pm and it was going well... He had installed the pump, the tank and had passed all the hoses... At 4, he was connecting the sensor for the low meth indicator and then he could put back the wheels, install the front bumper and continue with all the wiring (behind glove compartment, gauge pod, etc.). I think he will finish it tomorrow morning. I hope it won't be too late so that my wife can drop me there and use my car to go to work... And if I am late, I should have the power to make it faster! lol

I'll keep you posted shortly...

Thanks,

Steve

[EcoBrick Bob]

Zoom... Zoom...zoom!!!!!!

[MelC]

:canada::RpS_flapper: - More YouTube videos to come I take it??? LOL

[bpd1151]

I'll keep you posted shortly...

 

Thanks for the updates Steve :hail:

 

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's eagerly awaiting your impressions of your newly discovered Meth Habit! :bolt:

[steve142857]

Finally! I got my car back...

There is always something at the end not working properly and it takes forever to find the issue, but all the install is completed and very well done... Like anything else, the first time it took 19 hours, but another kit would take about 12 hours right after... But that won't happen!

Anyways, I left a voice message to Rick LMS because I believe and hope that some adjustment need to be made to the tune he had previously sent me. Maybe it is my custom exhaust with third cat deleted??? The car runs very well, but I don't get the same boost levels like Mike or Darell. I see a sustained 12-13, but nowhere near 16psi like the other meth consumers .lol

Also, I was used to the smoother stage 4+ (compared to the stage 4 that was harder on the tranny), so I will talk with LMS to see if they can adjust the tune to exploit the potential safely. So, I am happy that the car works, but I am still waiting for the good results...

I am sure that I am a couple of days away from full enjoyment, so I will keep you posted on the progress.

Thanks!

[Crash712us]

Cool beans steve. As for the boost pressures even though I have done the meth upgrade yet. 12-13 psi sustained is all I ever see. However I do see spikes up 16psi but it quickly drops sharply. I don't know if this normal or not, but back when I was still using the prosport gauges I recall see sustained high boost pressures. And was running different tunes back then also, what this means I'm not sure. Different gauges, calibrations, tunes, lots variables. But hopefully when I do mine and get it on the dyno it will reveal any issues if there is any at all.

[steve142857]

I'll talk with Rick and will see from there. I totally trust in their competence, they are real pros. I wish their shop would be close to where I leave and I would have given them the whole project without hesitation. That said, I am convinced that the kit is well installed and after driving it, I can't tell that much difference compared to before... I wish I could bring it to the track and/or AWD dyno and see/comment from there... The kit is of very good quality... It is impressive how the intake feels cold after a few runs! The oil temperature rose faster though, but the intake was cold... Also, I will ask how the car can be put back to stock... I guess we have to put back the 2bar MAP sensor before doing so... I will need instructions as everything is kinda new to me.

More development tomorrow night and knowing LMS promptness to answer back, maybe the tune/kit/car will be working in perfect harmony...

[darreli]

Hey Steve... Glad the install went great! Just want to let you know I'm not running 16 pounds of boost. More like 14. So we are probably right around the same.

[steve142857]

Thanks Darreli (or Darrell ??? always wonder what is your name lol).

I heard from Mike that he was seeing peaks around 16... Is your 14 sustained? I see more 12-13 sustained... At what knob number do you leave the alky control box? Rick told me to leave it at 5, but the light of spraying meth was always red... when we tried putting it at 8, it turned green... I put it back to 5-6 and it is red for a second until meth is ready then turns green, but it also flashes between red and green...

2 other questions :

How is your tranny doing? I was used with stage 4+ which was smoother than stage 4 due to higher torque management and now I heard the tranny downshifting harder when slowing down at a red lights for example... I hear a little clunk... But for upshifting under WOT or normal, no problem at all...

Also, do you think that the fact that I deleted the third cat and replaced it with a x-pipe could explain the 2 psi less than your car? I was told by the guys that did the install that that could be a reason, so I am hoping that talking with Dan from LMS could solve this issue.

So, I need a tune with 2-3psi more and more torque management and I believe that the harmony will be optimized.

Thanks for your feedback, very well appreciated!

Steve

[steve142857]

BPDMike, I PM'd you... thx

[Crash712us]

Steve I doubt you delete 3rd cat and x-pipe has caused any boost loss, the corsa cat back system that I and darrell and many other run. Delete the 3rd cat and have a x-pipe. Also I would put a lot of faith in what your gauges read, who knows how well they are calibrated. However data logging will tell you what the ECM is reading.

[bpd1151]

Steve.....

 

Long day for me. After having worked last night, getting off at 6am this morning, staying awake to drop my car off at the body shop for the engine hood vent(s) install at 8am, picking up the loaner, came home, slept for like an hour, picked up my oldest one from early dismissal at 11:10am, racing her over to her physical therapy appt at 1pm, then my middle child's academic awards night which was at 7pm and ended at 8:45pm, I literally just walked in the door my friend.

 

I'm burning on about 2hrs of combined sleep in the last 26 hours or so.....

 

I'm not gonna be awake for long here but wanted to let you know that I saw your post(s), got your PM, and also got your VM.

 

I will be available tomorrow though if you wanna give me a call sometime after you get done with your conversation with Rick.

 

As far as max psi, and what is a consistent type of psi range, I would say your numbers are fairly equivalent to what the rest of us are seeing/experiencing.

 

The 16psi is a very brief max that's obtained when I'm under WOT.

 

My typical psi ranges are in the 12-14psi range.

 

So, I would say that what you are seeing is accurate.

 

My LED blinks intermittently 'tween red/green as well, but never put much thought into turning the manual knob higher. Interesting to hear about your's remaining a solid green when you turned it up to around 8 as you say.

 

I too, like many others, have the 3rd CAT delete and 'X' pipe installed in it's place.

 

So I don't think you should have any type of experienced performance degradation from that alone.

 

As others have said, your best bet (if your looking for true accuracy) is datalogging and/or dyno time.

 

Not sure what exactly it is that you may, or may not be experiencing, but suffice it to say, ALL of the rest of us have had OUTSTANDING results with the Methanol Install.

 

Hopefully, that answers your question(s) in the interim, now I'm off to pour me a big 'ol honk'n glass of Rum & Coke and gonna go pass out on the couch.

 

Call me tomorrow if need be, or PM with any other questions you may have. :tea:

[steve142857]

Thanks guys for your answers for tonight, the rest should be answered by Dan tomorrow (hopefully he will have the time). I'll see if they can modify the tune to a stage meth+ which would be the equivalent of the 4+ compared to 4... By stage meth +, I would hope to have a bit more boost under WOT and more torque management between shifting. I remember that that recipe was very good for stage 4+ compared to stage4 and not only was it more friendly for the tranny and overall driving experience, but at the track it was good for an extra 1-2 mph and .2 sec better ET... Let's see what Dan can do...

Good night all and continue posting your comments, they are all read with much appreciation.

Kindly,

Steve

[EcoBrick Bob]

From my logging with the NESHO x pipe mod (3rd cat delete), Torrie says he sees higher boost numbers, though that could be the level of tuning on boost levels he is doing with my 3 bar MAPv. My boost numbers were above 15, most of the time (even before the NESHO pipe), but varied quite a bit depending on RPM & the gear. That's the result of the small turbos working at their maximum. Also, I don't have a progressive controller, and my methanol pump is either on or off, and comes on at 8psi boost. The NESHO x pipe really gave my Flex a throaty sound. Currently not installed, and I can hardly hear my rear Magnaflows!

[steve142857]

While it is still fresh :

I want to thank Mike for his how-to install to kit. It was very helpful for the guy that install the kit because the instructions are very brief as the instructions that come with the kit are universal...

However, there are a few things that could be added to the how-to to save time for one that is not that familiar with that type of install or with the Taurus SHO :

1 ) When removing the bumper, not a bad thing to cover with tape the intersection where bumper ends under the headlights, just to avoid any scratches when removing the bumper... Also, even if it is obvious, in the how-to remove the front bumper, could be added to unplug the flashers (I don't recall having read it);

2 ) When drilling the hole on top of the medium tank (that will serve for windshield washer fluid), make sure that the rubber and cap will fit when bigger existing black cap will be in place... we drilled ours to close (not enough in the corner) so we ended up having to trim both caps on edges so that they can fit...

3 ) There is a smaller tank that is fixed on top (close to engine coolant recipient) that will serve to fill in the medium tank of windshield washer fluid... They are connected by a hose (that was not included in the kit BTW)... Make sure to use a hose big enough so that when washer fluid is poured in the smaller recipient, it goes fast into the medium one located under. We used a smaller one and it takes forever to digest the liquid, so I will have to go back soon to have it replaced...

4 ) Make sure that the sensor inside the meth recipient (the old washer fluid recipient) is installed on the good side... That sensor works with a level indicator as opposed to a liquid detector. The way we first put it, it could not pivot (incline) because it was install for the inclination to go on the side of the wall instead of the inside of the recipient...

5 ) I think, and will have to confirm tomorrow, that all the extra hosing and nuts and bolts weren't necessary for the install... The kit comes pretty complete, just some bigger ¨shrings¨ (spring plastic to cover hoses) could be added as well as a hose to make fluid pass from small to medium tank of washer fluid.

6 ) There were no instructions what so ever for the relay harness... I wasn't there at the time of its install, but I know they spent some time trying to figure it out...

 

There you go, these are a few points that could be added or considered for the next that will have the kit installed... You will save a few hours knowing it in advance and if you are like me and you are hiring a specialist, that is a few hundred bucks in your pocket...

Thanks again Mike for the how-to!

Thanks Rick for the excellent service as always!

Thanks Darrell for the motivation of making our cars go faster!

Thanks Crash712us for making those gauge pods to be able to monitor all these additions!

 

Cheers all!

 

Steve

[Livernois Motorsports]

Steve,

 

Glad you got the kit installed. Your tune file is an exact copy

of Darrell's and though it may spike to 16, it won't hold that much through the pull. I logged into my work computer and did a compare and the tune is identical to his.

 

Thank you

 

Rick

[EcoBrick Bob]

Rick,

 

Could the readings be affected by the difference between a 2 bar vs 3 bar MAPv? Realize they read different and tune has to be adjusted for that, but thought there was something about a 2 bar MAPv not being able to accurately show boost levels above 14.7. Or am I completely off base??

[darreli]

No...you're right Bob. I believe he switched over to a 3 bar but it really isnt that necessary because Dans currently tuning to around 14psi. 1 bar is 14.7 which where we are without any boost (normal atmospheric pressure) 2 bar will read an additional 14.7# of "boost" (roughly) 3 bar will go to 29.4# or there about.

[Livernois Motorsports]

No...you're right Bob. I believe he switched over to a 3 bar but it really isnt that necessary because Dans currently tuning to around 14psi. 1 bar is 14.7 which where we are without any boost (normal atmospheric pressure) 2 bar will read an additional 14.7# of "boost" (roughly) 3 bar will go to 29.4# or there about.

 

Darrell beat me to it. Darrell, Mike, and Steve all have a 3 bar, but they are still below the amount of boost to need it.

 

-Rick

[EcoBrick Bob]

Understand the diff. between sensors & the boost levels they read. Guess what it really comes down to is USABLE BOOST throughout the WOT RPM's in each gear. When you guys get those rebuilt turbos installed, you will need those 3 bar sensors!

 

Steve, my NESHO pipe exits into the stock exhaust tubes, with a pair of magnaflows out back. My intake is different, as I used a RotoFab "J" pipe from the G8 GT configuration, reversed it, added a Round AEM filter (looks like K & N), and attached all to existing piping using 2 pieces of hose, with a piece of hard PVC inside, to smooth flow.

 

Don't expect any of this to be more efficient than any other, but it was cost effective and ended up looking & sounding nice, at least to me. IE: has high "FLUFF" coefficient... but maybe that's all!

[Scrming]

Darrell beat me to it. Darrell, Mike, and Steve all have a 3 bar, but they are still below the amount of boost to need it.

 

-Rick

 

As usual, i'm the odd duck! I'm still running the stock 2-bar sensor... but i'm seeing the same kind of boost levels with spikes just over 15... For the most part boost levels in the 13 PSI range...