autoroids Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Ok, so I have a LMS tune (4+) otherwise completely stock. Put some 100oct (unleaded fuel), and after about a quarter tank I got the MIL/DTC P0420 and P0430. Dilited the fuel with some 93 oct, but still, have a good deal of 100 oct left in it, and the light keeps coming back after I clear the codes. So my question is regarding the Direct Injection Engines...are they really picky when it comes to fuel, or are both cats faulty on the my SHO (I find that hard to believe, but the F150 gues seems to be changing faulty cats all the time). This has never happened to me with any other car, and i have used that 100 oct on multiple cars, however the Ecoboost might be a different animal. I will drive it like this and then fuel one whole tank of 93oct, reset it, and see what happens. Any input is appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autoroids Posted May 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 BTW, it is not from the tune...switched back to stock, and the codes come back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve142857 Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 I would think that running 100 octane with stage 4+ is not necessary because they added timing on the tune but for 93 or 94 octane... I would presume that beyond 94 octane, it is a waste. Maybe others can chime in there, like Rick from LMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhenne4 Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 I believe the tunes are specifically set up for the octane that you provide to the Rick. I could be talking out of my butt here but it would seem if you got a 93 octane tune, the engine would hate anything other than that 93 octane. Hopefully Rick can comment on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcoBoostSHO Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 LMS's tuner "recommends" running > 93 octane for the stage 4+ tune but they obviously have a ton of people running it successfully on 93 octane. (I would personally recommend scanning for Knock to make sure) Since you are positive it doesn't have lead in it (because that would be very bad for the cats) I would do as you suggested and run the existing gas down and then switch it back to 93, clear the codes and see what happens. The cats could have died due to overheating or a major thermostat issue (which you probably would have noticed). I would assume the tune would still keep some safety limits in there for your cats. You can monitor cat temp with the SCT if you happen to have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darreli Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 I've ran 100 octane many times in my car without issue. More so before the addition of methanol injection but even a few times since, especially when I was track testing a new program just for security purposes. Which fuel was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autoroids Posted May 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 I've ran 100 octane many times in my car without issue. More so before the addition of methanol injection but even a few times since' date=' especially when I was track testing a new program just for security purposes. Which fuel was it?[/quote'] I used CAM2 fuel, which is identical to SUNOCO 260 GT UNLEADED RACING GASOLINE. Like I said, I used it many times in many different cars, and have never had an issue, until now. I am beginning to think that because it is a slower burning fuel, and maybe because the SHO cat system is so picky/efficient, it is throwing the codes - not sure though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbulldog Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 P0420 - Bank 1 P0430 - Bank 2 Diagnostics/Causes: Same According to Ford/PTS: Possible Causes: Use of leaded fuel; Damaged heated oxygen sensor (HO2S); Out of range engine coolant temp (ECT) sensor; High fuel pressure; Damaged exhaust manifold; Damaged cat; Oil contamination; Cylinder misfire; Downstream HO2S wires incorrectly connected; Damaged exhaust system pipe; Damaged muffler/tailpipe assm; Retarded spark timing; Leaking fuel injector Hope you find something.... Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcoBrick Bob Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 What would FORD say????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbulldog Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 What would FORD say????? Perform a PCM self test first.... Which requires the VCM IDS Interface connected to the PTS. Only the dealership/service tech can perform this. [ATTACH=CONFIG]569[/ATTACH] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jojomofo21 Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 It's the cats. I put some race gas in mine a while back and the infamous check engine light came on. It will stay on for a while. Just run all the race fuel out, refill with 93 and wait. It will eventually burn off and the light will disappear! Takes a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcoBrick Bob Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Based on my observations with SCT Logging and my DASHHAWK, the cats in the EB Engines run much cooler temps than the ones in my 2 G8 GT's. So... if they got hot, they may as well have coded, and are continuing to code, if they are still running hot. Could you possibly have damaged your wide band sensors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOOLOUD Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Bump any new info on the p0430 code. I was told that the ethanol in our gas was causing major issues with the EB. Any truth to that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjhpadi Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Bump any new info on the p0430 code. I was told that the ethanol in our gas was causing major issues with the EB. Any truth to that ? I have not heard of anyone having problems with any gas, since now ethanol is almost in all gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoMoCoSho Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Up to 10%, you are good to go. If it's E-15, you could have a problem. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/30/aaa-e15-gas-harm-cars/1735793/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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