mhenne4 Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Well im assembling my list of "to do" mods and im still debating a set of springs to lower the car. My question is seeing as how I have the PP with the performance springs, would I even need to change to the HR or others? Keep in mind I also want to do the oil and tranny cooler so if my PP springs are good then Ill put springs towards the bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregoire Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 I had the H&R's installed on my 2011 PP and never looked back. The looks and performance gains are undeniable. I loved the way the car handled completely stock and the ride is slightly stiffer on the H&R's but only noticeable on rough road conditions. I will be purchasing a 2013 PP this weekend and already arranging to have the H&R's installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurJGuy Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 Are the springs the only suspension change with the PP, or are the shocks changed as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpd1151 Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 As far as I am aware, there is/was no difference in springs between the Non-PP pkg, versus the PP pkg for the 2010-2012 model years. The differences were larger diameter sway bars, upgraded brake pads, slightly different calibrated steering protocols, and the deletion of the spare tire. I could be incorrect, but am just going off of memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurJGuy Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 As far as I am aware, there is/was no difference in springs between the Non-PP pkg, versus the PP pkg for the 2010-2012 model years. The differences were larger diameter sway bars, upgraded brake pads, slightly different calibrated steering protocols, and the deletion of the spare tire. I could be incorrect, but am just going off of memory. Thanks. I wouldn't want to get a PP car and then replace those parts with aftermarket stuff, would be wasted money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrylu Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 As far as I am aware, there is/was no difference in springs between the Non-PP pkg, versus the PP pkg for the 2010-2012 model years. The differences were larger diameter sway bars, upgraded brake pads, slightly different calibrated steering protocols, and the deletion of the spare tire. I could be incorrect, but am just going off of memory. I really thought there was a different spring but after checking my reference new car brochure you are right the springs are the same. The difference in harshness I felt when test driving both PP and non PP might just be the 20 inchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhenne4 Posted February 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 Well poop. I guess springs are the next thing ill aim to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpd1151 Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 Oh yea, the other difference between the 2010-2012 Non-PP versus PP cars was the gear ratio. I believe on the Non-PP cars it was a final drive ratio of 2.77, and on the PP's it was 3.16 or something like that. There has been some debate as to whether or not these differences were negligible once mods were introduced to either platform. Sorry for not having included that in my original reply. Hope that's of some help :thumb: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHOdded Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 To be fair to Mike, only the suspension diffs were being discussed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurJGuy Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 To be fair to Mike' date=' only the suspension diffs were being discussed [/quote'] This. I saw the other stuff explained previously, but they were not specific on what changed in the suspension other than being "sport tuned". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emtpbill Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 What kind of performance gains are to be had? I got my H&R a few months ago but haven't gotten around to having them installed. My 2012 is a PP, when I first bought it new I went to town buying upgrades, CAI tuner springs. I was quoted around 400tp hAve the H&Rs installed does that sound fair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONLYA6 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 The 2013's have different rear springs. Mine were specifically tagged "SHO PP" when I took them off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoman04 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 MOTOERTREND 2010 SAID DRIFFERENT. Adult Entertainment: The Taurus SHO turns 21, grows up. From the June 2009 issue of Motor Trend | 87 Naturally the SHO gets its own unique spring and damping rates, anti-roll bars, strut mount bushings, electric-power-steering calibration, and big 19- or 20-inch tires. Standard SHO tuning provides a nice, grown-up ride/handling compromise and reasonable all-weather performance. For those still harboring some wild-child hormones, the "12S-SHO Performance Package" ($995) buys 20-inch Eagle F1 Supercar summer rubber, performance brake pads (clamping identical discs), 20-percent-stiffer damping, nine-percent-stiffer rear springs, and a bigger rear anti-roll bar plus a shorter final-drive ratio (3.17:1 versus 2.77:1), and performance tuning of the power steering and AdvanceTrac stability control systems. So equipped, our SHO car felt far nimbler and more agile than its Rubenesque dimensions would suggest. The summer Goodyears stifle cornering squeal more effectively than a ball-gag, but their aggressive tread pattern generates copious road noise on the straights. Body motions are well controlled, and careful trail-braking can induce gentle slides at the rear with AdvanceTrac in its sportiest setting. The suspension cushions potholes admirably given the car's mission, but impact noise comes through pretty clearly, making the car sound like it rides worse than it does. The helm is nicely weighted, but with the front tires shouldering 60 percent of the load, little of the information they gather about how much of the available friction is being used at the moment finds its way to the wheel rim. In terms of numbers, the new SHO crushes all previous versions: 0.87 g on the skidpad; 60-0 braking in just 112 feet. Compare that with 0.83 g for the 1989 and '91 models, and 128 feet for the 1996 SHO. Relative to the cooking-grade 2010 Taurus, that's 0.06 g stickier and 17-feet shorter, and the SHO outruns it on the figure-eight by 0.8 second and that same 0.06 g. prev 1 2 3 4 ... 6 next View All Next Page Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0909_2010_ford_taurus_sho_test/viewall.html#ixzz2NTWFd7Fn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve142857 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 H&R's add a good 20hp! Lol Seriously, beside better lauching and handling, the look itself is more than enough of an improvement imo to justify the cost. This was and still my first mod... Even the tune comes second! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emtpbill Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Who said H&Rs add 20 HP ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpd1151 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Steve was joking. Also, in your OP, you ask if the quoted 400hp was valid? 400 where? At the fly, or the wheels? Cuz i'll tell 'ya what, I myself am at 400, but that is at the wheels. It's taken a bit to get to that mark, including the methanol. Sent from my DROID3 using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve142857 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 I have a special sense of humor... Must be a brain freeze after our too long winters. No hp for sure but performance improvement no doubt. 0-60 or 1/4 mile lowered by up to 0.2 sec. So you won't see it on a dyno and yes I was making a joke but you will feel it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve142857 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 I Thought he asked if 400$ was a Good price for installation, I presumed with alignement etc. I would think under 300$ would be more decent. The springs can be bought at 270$ or better. I got them in special from Essex in Vancouver for 254$ plus 20$ shipping within Canada... Finally we get a good deal in Canada! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpd1151 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 *sigh* Re-reading it now Steve, I believe you are correct.... My bad. That's what I get for answering this late at night, on a night off from work, & having enjoyed a few, ummm...... "pops". :bolt: Sent from my DROID3 using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emtpbill Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Yes it was meant to be 400 dollars, dang Atuo corerct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emtpbill Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 I have a special sense of humor... Must be a brain freeze after our too long winters. No hp for sure but performance improvement no doubt. 0-60 or 1/4 mile lowered by up to 0.2 sec. So you won't see it on a dyno and yes I was making a joke but you will feel it... Gotcha . Just don't want to get raped by my local suspension shop. Have the HR sitting here, just haven't gotten around to pay to have em put on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjhpadi Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Don't feel bad Mike, I wasn't even enjoying a few and mis-read it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve142857 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Yeah Mike, don't worry, you can count on us when you had a drink... And actually, I'm pretty sure you can count on most of us to have a drink too! Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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